Apr. 11th, 2015

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 [First real discussion post here omg! Of course we have to talk about sex bc why not...]
 
A casual Wall of Text®© continuation of this VC asexuality discussion if u want to catch up. 
 
That lucky tree...

[fanart by Dany&Dany][does anyone have a better res version? Gimme!]
 
While there is no Right answer, since everyone’s headcanon may vary, I kinda felt like continuing this discussion bc I had other ideas, but there was a tumblr person who made great points and I wanted to share my responses :] 

Note: the tumblr person hasn't responded to my request to quote them with their name attached, so that's why I'm not crediting them.
 
Keep in mind that, IIRC, AR doesn’t really address sexuality between vampires until QOTD with the quote I used in the above link, so it’s possible that she hadn’t decided herself on this until later. I’m pretty sure that the only canon we get about it before QOTD is in IWTV when Claudia asks Louis about sex and he talks about it very much in the past tense, as if it doesn’t happen anymore (which it might, between him and Lestat, but he’s answering a person who really can’t do sex, and possibly doesn’t want to hurt her feels about it). 
 
Basically I think AR, blending the vampire origin mythology with the Isis/Osiris Egyptian mythology, also used the sexuality consequence of that story. Osiris lost his penis, so he couldn’t procreate or do sex. Hence, vampires couldn’t.
 
I think it’s also the idea that Ricean vampires are immortal, SO magical, so physically attractive, so Gifted with all these Dark Gifts, heightened senses, some of them can FLY, do telekinesis, do pyrokinesis, they have mind-reading and bewitching powers, etc. etc. Did I mention BEAUTIFUL even if they’re turned in old age?? (except for Magnus, he was an ugly douchebag bc he stole vampirism but whatevs), etc… 
 
^To have all that, for such feeling creatures, it’s an ultimate sacrifice to give up sex. Like monks or priests in some religions. It’s not fair to have all that power and beauty and ALSO get to enjoy sex. AR brings up the religious ideas of the denial of urges as being the Right thing to do, going against one’s natural desires in the hopes of pleasing a benevolent God. It’s been suggested that Louis’ struggle with killing people in IWTV was a metaphor for the denial of sex. It’s when he finally gives in that he finds peace, physically, but he’s still morally tormented for awhile. It’s when Claudia enters the picture that he seems to accept his nature and just kill people.
 
Continued discussion under the cut! Spoilers there, too.

~Mater Fabuloso

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Another continuation of this VC asexuality discussion if u want to catch up. 
 
 remember-me-you-clever-boy said:

Dude, my accidental headcanon for years was that the, ahem, vampire sexual fluids were actually blood, since it seems to replace all the other fluids. I forgot the "the lower parts doesn't work anymore" part and, by my logic, if they cry blood -> they also sweat blood -> so they must split blood too, then -> WELL... (It also would explain why vampires love red sheets and basically red everything in home decor)

Re: All the fluids are blood: Well canon isn't totally specific on that. In TVL (his first nights as a vampire) Lestat says his tears are blood, and then a little later, says his tears are tinted with blood: 
  • "And my tears were blood, and they left their stain on my hands when I wiped at my face."
  • "I stared at my reflection... when [my] tears did rise, they were red, and the entire image was tinted red because [my] vision was red."
So.... I think it's a mixture? All normal bodily fluids but tinted red with blood? IDK, #your headcanon may vary, either works really. I can't think of other specific quotes to backup either theory, perhaps it's best left ambiguous.
 
But I think that the question of "What are the *ahem* sexual fluids made of?" put me off of any slashfic for the longest time. Any of these ideas for what the sexual fluids were made of all squicked me out initially: 
  • 100% blood - this would make the most sense bc, for example, swallowing post-blowjob would be physically the same as biting to get the blood. Plus, it wouldn't be a procreative material.
  • a mixture of blood and something else, maybe the normal stuff?
  • just the normal stuff?
  • the normal stuff minus anything that would make a baby?
  • something else??
When I finally gave in it was bc someone recc'd some good slashfic and I gradually let go of the squick feelings because the foreplay, action, dialogue, etc., before the actual sex was in character, so I was eased into acceptance (and even enjoyment!) of it. I'm able to switch back and forth between the vampires being sexual or asexual in my headcanon. It's a particular talent ;]
 
As for the red décor, hahaha I get your point, but blood actually darkens on fabric very quickly, and would definitely be noticeable immediately... I'd think dead blood is as bad as dead bodies in terms of the smell to vampires. Have you ever smelled a spilled quantity of real blood? I HAVE. WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT?

Hit the jump for a blood-related story... )


Thanks for a stimulating discussion, remember-me-you-clever-boy!
 
~Mater Fabuloso
 

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